Terrapin Tables

Yeah, I hate it when crazy liberal judges force their will upon the people by allowing them to marry whoever they want. Don't they know that the government should be in charge of people's love lives? It's like the people want the pursuit of happiness or some shit.

And that picture is kind of funny...

Whether or not you agree with gay marriage, there's no way that outlawing it should be a constitutional law. One of you liberal arts people correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Consitution mainly just a framework of how our government should work, with the Bill of Rights thrown in there to guarantee that the government doesn't pass laws that take away our freedoms (like due process... cough). When they tried making an ammendment counter to that, that took away freedom- Prohibition - it didn't work and they had to repeal it not too long after. I don't even think that there's anything in the Constitution that outlaws murder. I think any type of law telling us what we can't do, should be a normal law, and not constitutional. I don't see how this even falls under the federal government's domain, since it has nothing to do with international affairs or interstate politics. If people want to outlaw it, it should be up to the states to handle it (like liquor laws). The federal government should only be involved to pass a law guaranteeing freedom that says that it can't be outlawed.

And I don't remember that picture. When was it?

Oh yeah, I don't agree with Bush on this. It's one of those issues with the government telling you're allowed to do that doesn't really affect anyone else. BTW, I took that poll, and Bush came out lowest on my list, at something like 65%. I don't remember who my top candidate was, anymore, but I'll figure it out again before the election (based on more than just a web survey).

It was at Ego Alley in Annapolis one night. You two had an entire table, but sat across from each other, between a candlelight setting. It was classic. The only thing that could have made it better was if you two were holding hands.

What's wrong with gay marriage? Chad and Rick have no problem being open about their gay marriage.

I think you've got it right Fatboy. States are generally the ones who are responsible to create laws for citizens to follow. Federal courts only handle crimes that violate national law, such as crimes that cross state lines. Most "major" crimes such as murder are still handled on the state level.

To this end, the only way for the federal government to strike down a state law (such as marriage) is to explicitly outlaw it in the Constitution. And what's adding fuel to the fire is that if a marriage is performed in one state, it will be honored in the other 49 states unless there's a law saying otherwise. So a gay couple from Texas can get married in Massachusetts and Texas will have to honor it.

Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos

I'm stiull a bit drunk from last night, so I might have this wrong...but Bush spoke out directly against Fatboy and Rick getting married in TExas? Wow...BigJ and Irma will be heartbroken.

I don't have a problem with homosexuals, male or female, wedding each other...if you wnat to pledge yourself to antother for life, do it. What teh hell does the government care. I don't think, really, that the American people care...just that extreme;y vocal group of Jack-van-Impe-and-Jery-Falwell listenin' assholes that continue to manipulate Senators into confusing "policy" with "agenda." Man, Christians piss me off.

Chris, don't confuse the American people with all of the college-educated (or college-attending) liberals you know living in the D.C. area. Come down here to Texas, which is probably pretty representative of a lot of the deep south, and you'll see quite a different viewpoint, even from the well-educated people. I'm one of the most liberal people I know of down here, and you know how conservative I seemed when we all had our discussions at the Fe. I brought up the gay marriage issue to a few of the people in the office, and they all thought it should be illegal- not necessarily a Constitutional ammendment, but illegal none the less.

I think we should just kill all the queers. Dead people can't marry -- solves all our problems.

Okay, I'll throw out a couple of things here. First, let me say that I am against Bush on this, I think that if two people love each other and want to get married, by all means go right ahead. On this issue of the federal government stepping in on something that appears to be under the purview of the states individually, the concern is that a state could allow gay marriages, and that the other 49 would have to honor that marriage. What must also be considered is the fact that we're not just talking about having the ceremony, exchanging rings, and then moving on; there are major tax, insurance, and benefits issues that also much be considered, as well as estate planning and loads of other issues that escape me at the moment. Many of these are either administered by the federal government, or funded in part by the federal government, thus making it an issue that the federal government cares about.

The way I see it, Bush is concerned on two fronts: first, there is his apparent moral revulsion to the idea that marriage is not between a man and a woman, and second, to follow from that, same-sex couples should not be entitled to the benefits that "traditional" couples are, because they are inferior.

Chad, I can not wait until you have a son and he develops a Ru Paul fetish.

Homosexual penguins. No joke.